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Six things wrong with this article on "homophobia" in the church

Comment posted by Mactoul on Mar 24, 00:23:

Tony, I am really talking of schools and impressionable adolescents who might be nudged into a less transgressive norms by an atmosphere that does not coddle transgressions. A certain degree of roughness--you don't really know how effective societies socialize their young into accepting norms. We have the description--everywhere boys are asked to man up and not be sissies. But the prescription--never do anything that might be not nice and slightest bit uncharitable? Can it work? Who knows. ... [More]

Six things wrong with this article on "homophobia" in the church

Comment posted by Tony on Mar 23, 20:39:

All societies have employed a degree of coercion and sanction to keep those of transgressive urges in tight bounds, at least in public. Mactoul, I was calling for a normative point (what is right or wrong), and you have answered with a descriptive point: all societies HAVE used "coercion and sanction". Well, most societies done things with broad approval that we think are wrong. Until well along into the Christian era, most societies have had slavery. Many societies have had polygamy. Many societies se ... [More]

Six things wrong with this article on "homophobia" in the church

Comment posted by Paul on Mar 23, 18:44:

Lydia, thank you for the insightful article. I love the Bible but appreciate that you point out that creation is a revelation from God too. (I finished your book, it was great!) You or your readers might be interested in this free audio, "Kids, God Made Marriage." http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=71415115240 There is also a parents guide which expands on and makes explicit the implicit arguments in the children's audio. http://media.sermonaudio.com/mediapdf/71415115240.pdf This audio mak ... [More]

Six things wrong with this article on "homophobia" in the church

Comment posted by Lydia on Mar 23, 15:33:

Oh, believe me, sir, they are large, they contain multitudes. If it serves their purposes on a given day (for example to "be shocking" or "make the left mad" or "be tough"), they'd advocate tarring and feathering. If it serves their purposes on a different day, they will tell us all to bow down and adore a self-styled Dangerous F*gg*t because he's so "courageous" and not afraid of anybody, blah blah, and because what really matters is "fighting the left," blah-more-blah. A nicely postmodern movement, which ... [More]

Six things wrong with this article on "homophobia" in the church

Comment posted by Mactoul on Mar 23, 01:19:

Lydia, You need to decide whether the New Right is too accepting of homosexuality thereby corrupting the conservatism or it is too vigilante of homosexuality thereby brutalizing the conservatism. ... [More]

Six things wrong with this article on "homophobia" in the church

Comment posted by Mactoul on Mar 23, 00:11:

Tony, we are staking a claim that there is a middle ground The so-called middle ground has never existed, All societies have employed a degree of coercion and sanction to keep those of transgressive urges in tight bounds, at least in public. ... [More]

Jonathan McLatchie on OT Undesigned Coincidences

Comment posted by Lydia on Mar 22, 21:42:

Callum, I think I know the documentary you mean but haven't seen it. I gather it's pretty definitely leaning toward late Exodus, but late Exodus may be correct. It's not an area I've researched extensively. ... [More]

Is Jahi McMath breathing on her own?

Comment posted by Lydia on Mar 22, 21:41:

Being alive means being able to breathe on your own and having activity in your brain Absolute b.s. There are even people who are fully *conscious* despite not being able to breathe on their own. Oh, you meant being conscious *or* being able to breathe on your own? Then a) learn not to say "and" when you mean "or" and b) don't just make stuff up to get the conclusion you want. ... [More]

Jonathan McLatchie on OT Undesigned Coincidences

Comment posted by Callum on Mar 22, 21:01:

Speaking of the OT, Lydia, do you have Netflix? There's a fascinating documentary on there about the Exodus. For once, its not the far liberal show you typically see on the Discovery Channel or National Geographic which gets 10 Dominic Crossan like scholars. It makes a very intetesting case for the Exodus having happened during the middle Kingdom. Anyway, a really good in depth programme if you are interested. ... [More]

Is Jahi McMath breathing on her own?

Comment posted by Mel on Mar 22, 18:23:

Those are separate questions. One cannot decide "this person is dead" *because* one thinks "this person should be dead" or "it would be terrible to be this person and be conscious." Although the quality of life is decreased (as it would be for anyone in this situation), it is also subjective and secondary to the real argument you pose, which is: Is Jahi dead or alive? In this case, Jahi can not breathe on her own and does not have sufficient brain activity (whether it is partial or not) Being alive me ... [More]

Timo Miller and Philip Zodhiates update

Comment posted by Haus Beach on Mar 22, 17:53:

Philip got 1 year in prison. He will be able to serve it at the same VA prison where Ken is. ... [More]

Six things wrong with this article on "homophobia" in the church

Comment posted by Tony on Mar 22, 16:09:

Of course, nowadays you'd be sued. You'd have to find a way to prove you weren't discriminating, blah, blah. Right. I was limiting myself to stuff that, at least for the moment, won't get you hauled into court to defend. As for the *outright* public nudity and indecency that is endemic to "gay neighborhoods" or to abominations like "pride" parades, that behavior should be subject to arrest if we are to have any public decency laws at all...So I guess it would be a kind of revolutionary act in some pla ... [More]

Six things wrong with this article on "homophobia" in the church

Comment posted by Jeffrey S. on Mar 22, 16:02:

Lydia, All good suggestions. I would add the willingness and indeed, the importance, of telling the truth about the so-called "gay lifestyle" -- I thought of this as I came across this piece recently by Austin Ruse (not for the faint of heart): http://www.crisismagazine.com/2017/homo-homophobia ... [More]

Six things wrong with this article on "homophobia" in the church

Comment posted by Lydia on Mar 22, 13:02:

So, here's my question: does exclaiming loudly "that's disgusting!" when two guys snuggle in front of you fall into the same category as shouting "you freaks!" at them? No. I would go farther. I would say that various venues, especially those that are privately owned, ought to have the prerogative to have standards of behavior. In all honesty, I could imagine that this might include reasonable limits on the behavior of male-female couples. If the owner of a restaurant tells a guy and a girl that they can't ... [More]

Six things wrong with this article on "homophobia" in the church

Comment posted by Tony on Mar 22, 12:34:

A problem lies in not distinguishing what truly is bullying from social stigma per se. Lydia, I think this is really true. The LKGB would have us believe that even a non-act that is merely the failure to be positively supportive of gayness amounts to "being mean", and even so much as a facial expression of disgust, or turning away, is "bullying". We can easily reject such characterizations: That's not what "bullying" means in any other context, so it isn't here either. On the other hand, some of what ... [More]

Six things wrong with this article on "homophobia" in the church

Comment posted by Lydia on Mar 22, 09:37:

A problem lies in not distinguishing what truly is bullying from social stigma per se. I can well imagine that some of our new "right" people are now going to start advocating vigilante behavior, literally running homosexuals out on a rail or beating people up or what-not. Or even mere insult for the sake of insult. And the activists, of course, will treat any stigma or request for public decency and discretion as equivalent to plain cruelty. But there are ways of evincing disgust and asking people not to ... [More]

Six things wrong with this article on "homophobia" in the church

Comment posted by Mactoul on Mar 22, 00:53:

Routine decrying of bullying even by conservatives like Dreher does not help. It needs to be appreciated that this so-called bullying served vital needs in keeping the transgressive urges of the deviants and the latents in tight bounds. It is good for the deviants and the latents themselves. ... [More]

Six things wrong with this article on "homophobia" in the church

Comment posted by Tony on Mar 21, 20:56:

It's an odd kind of gesture, isn't it? Like a nominee for a federal position in a Republican administration having to refer to Roe v. Wade as "the law of the land" to get confirmed. Dreher has to salute the flag by talking about how terrible the closet was. Given Dreher's standing, (he can afford to thumb his nose at some idol and still get on with his life), and his explicit reference to being countercultural to be fully Christian, I am not sure it makes sense to think of this as Dreher somewhat insincer ... [More]

Timo Miller and Philip Zodhiates update

Comment posted by Lydia on Mar 21, 18:04:

Yes, the day before Timothy's--that is, tomorrow, the 22nd. Timothy Miller's sentencing is scheduled for the 23rd. Presumably because it is the same judge. I thought I had posted that rescheduling of Zodhiates' sentencing, but apparently I only e-mailed with someone about it. ... [More]

Timo Miller and Philip Zodhiates update

Comment posted by Haus Beach on Mar 21, 13:25:

Philip's sentencing has been scheduled for this week. ... [More]

Jonathan McLatchie on OT Undesigned Coincidences

Comment posted by Lydia on Mar 21, 09:18:

It's just in that category, but still cool. I'm glad that Amazon hasn't scared too many people away with its "usually ships in 2-5 weeks" message about the book. ... [More]

Six things wrong with this article on "homophobia" in the church

Comment posted by Lydia on Mar 21, 00:06:

Interesting that Dreher said that. It's an odd kind of gesture, isn't it? Like a nominee for a federal position in a Republican administration having to refer to Roe v. Wade as "the law of the land" to get confirmed. Dreher has to salute the flag by talking about how terrible the closet was. Certainly nobody should have been in the closet because otherwise he was going to be beaten or killed. Fine. But what was so bad about people's feeling that they had to keep their sexual problems to themselves, and rea ... [More]

Six things wrong with this article on "homophobia" in the church

Comment posted by Jeffrey S. on Mar 20, 22:37:

Lydia, I'm coming late to the party but I just wanted to echo some of the other comments and offer my praise for an excellent post on this subject. This got me thinking about an off-hand comment Rod Dreher made recently as he was discussing his hot new book (I have it and hope to post something in the coming weeks) with an interviewer: R&P: The Benedict Option still seems like a shrinking away from the basic, messy work of pluralism. Are you shying away from this uncomfortable reckoning with how to dea ... [More]

Jonathan McLatchie on OT Undesigned Coincidences

Comment posted by Tony on Mar 20, 21:06:

right now ranked #1 new release Fantabulastical! Or words to that effect! ... [More]

Six things wrong with this article on "homophobia" in the church

Comment posted by Lydia on Mar 19, 09:08:

Yes, this raises the very interesting question of what I call "bait and switch" in evangelism. We expect to be able to downplay the problem of homosexuality when trying to evangelize active homosexuals, but we expect them just to be able to divine by ESP that they are going to have to change their lifestyle radically after we have succeeded in evangelizing them. Why assume that? Why not guess instead that they will figure they are in one of those churches that "accepts them the way they are" and that they w ... [More]

Six things wrong with this article on "homophobia" in the church

Comment posted by TM on Mar 18, 18:50:

Thank you Lydia for such excellent moral clarity and careful reasoning. I've often wondered that since Paul says "and such were some of you" why pastors do not emphasize this for people who commit the sins disussed in this article. I seems that people who really follow the way of Jesus would agree that they were once sinners but now are working towards being saints. The pr0stitutes and tax collectors who followed Jesus didn't ask the disciples to respect their "struggles"... they just responded in lovi ... [More]

Six things wrong with this article on "homophobia" in the church

Comment posted by Tony on Mar 17, 13:17:

I would take the name of the article, "Homophobia Has No Place in the Church," and restate it correctly: The irrational fear of homophobia has no place in the Church. ... [More]

Six things wrong with this article on "homophobia" in the church

Comment posted by Scott W. on Mar 17, 07:08:

I'll add that among the Vanguard of the Proleperviats there is another sense homophobia: that any critic of homosexuality is motivated by his latent fear of his own suppressed homosexuality. This is a favorite trope in movies and television. When it isn't dead, white, European male Karl Marx running the show, it's dead, white, European male Freud. Read a manual on setting up a "safe zone" on a college campus and see terms like "heterosexism" and you'll see the movement in all its Orwellian glory. ... [More]

Six things wrong with this article on "homophobia" in the church

Comment posted by Lydia on Mar 16, 21:07:

And y'know, even if the SSA person in question were a) a Christian, b) sincere, and c) self-controlled, so that he would never abuse anyone, what people don't understand is the notion of *personal privacy* in relation to those who are sexually attracted to oneself. That is to say, no person with SSA, even someone chaste, should be rooming, showering, etc., with the same sex. It is a de facto violation of the privacy of the others involved. This seems so obvious that it shouldn't need to be said, but apparen ... [More]

Six things wrong with this article on "homophobia" in the church

Comment posted by Reader John on Mar 16, 20:50:

Thank you for this.Somebody has to say it — even the parts I find hard sayings. I am particularly hostile, from close experiences, toward Roen's implications 2 and 3. #2: There is something wrong with any suggestion that parading one's sexually perverse desires in society and in the church is TMI (too much information), that doing so normalizes the perversion in question, and that other human beings legitimately do not want to be constantly forced to think (and have their children think) about the perver ... [More]

Six things wrong with this article on "homophobia" in the church

Comment posted by Beth on Mar 16, 20:30:

A magnificent article, Lydia. I appreciate your detailed clarity, which so often helps me in making clear arguments to my students on issues such as this and end-of-life concerns. ... [More]

Six things wrong with this article on "homophobia" in the church

Comment posted by Lydia on Mar 16, 18:47:

In other words, part of what it means to will the good of a homosexual means not accepting homosexual behavior. Since he allegedly opposes homosexual behavior, he'd probably agree with you there. Where he'd disagree is if one said, "Part of what it means to will the good of a homosexual is not accepting terminology like 'LGBT people' and asking him to exercise discretion, to recognize that he suffers from objectively perverted desires, and not to subject the entire congregation to knowing about his perver ... [More]

Six things wrong with this article on "homophobia" in the church

Comment posted by Urban II on Mar 16, 16:19:

Simply put, homophobia means a fear of homosexuality Not exactly. Homophobia means an irrational fear of homosexuality. Furthermore, we are called to love with the very love of our Father (Matthew 5:45), which calls us to love even our enemies (Matthew 5:44–48). True, but love doesn't mean tolerance or acceptance; it means to will the good of another. In other words, part of what it means to will the good of a homosexual means not accepting homosexual behavior. ... [More]

Six things wrong with this article on "homophobia" in the church

Comment posted by Tony on Mar 16, 15:11:

Does your opposition to homosexual practice include the ability to lovingly welcome LGBT people Well, we could figure this guy out right from this point, without going any further. He may (possibly) be observing continence in his outward actions, but inwardly he has not accepted the reality that homosexuality is disordered. For, the hallmark of being part of the LGBQNTXZK crowd is an insistence that their desires are not perverse. One cannot today pretend that a person who self-styles as belonging to th ... [More]

To be or not to be...human.

Comment posted by Tony on Mar 16, 14:23:

But we agree that if they are different in species, ...then there *should* not be intermarriage between them and us, right? Completely. I myself would say that it would be a defeasible prima facie rational presumption that *any* race of beings not descended from Adam and Eve are, in fact, reproductively incompatible and hence not intermarriageable, That's a pretty good stance. I would go with that. I think that it would be shocking if any other rational animal races were reproductively compatible wit ... [More]

To be or not to be...human.

Comment posted by Lydia on Mar 15, 23:53:

But we agree that if they are different in species, either not looking like humans (rational dolphoid creatures or what-not) or being a "superior" race such as you envisage in your continuation, then there *should* not be intermarriage between them and us, right? I myself would say that it would be a defeasible prima facie rational presumption that *any* race of beings not descended from Adam and Eve are, in fact, reproductively incompatible and hence not intermarriageable, whatever their appearance (howev ... [More]

To be or not to be...human.

Comment posted by Tony on Mar 15, 21:30:

and what she says about theology (that after the Incarnation all new sapient life must have human form) I do *not* take to refer to DNA or to mean that, literally, she is a member of the same *biological species* as Ransom. Sure, but I don't take C.S. Lewis's hypothesis there as anything more than a pious wave of the hand. I don't think Lewis intended that notion as a serious theological point. If God designed a universe in which there are many rational animal species, there is no special reason to think ... [More]

To be or not to be...human.

Comment posted by Lydia on Mar 15, 19:34:

I'm pretty certain that in Perelandra one should assume that the Green Lady and her descendants couldn't reproduce with humans. The very fact that she's green is supposed to indicate *some* biological difference (plus she's much stronger than an ordinary human woman), and what she says about theology (that after the Incarnation all new sapient life must have human form) I do *not* take to refer to DNA or to mean that, literally, she is a member of the same *biological species* as Ransom. ... [More]

To be or not to be...human.

Comment posted by Tony on Mar 15, 18:58:

Right, I completely agree with that. But if they were biologically alike - that's what I meant by "entirely human-like" as opposed to merely "human-like", being entirely human in every respect except that of being descended from Adam - they would be able to reproduce because biologically it would be no different than mating with ordinary people descended from Adam. ... [More]

To be or not to be...human.

Comment posted by Lydia on Mar 15, 09:29:

If they were biologically distinct races (not in the vague sense of "races" used among humans on earth, but in the sense of literally distinct biological species), they would not be able to reproduce. Which seems to set it against nature. ... [More]